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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:57 pm Post subject: How deep can a samurai go before it floats? Found out today Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Okay, I think I can answer this question now. I took my hardtop up to Azusa Canyon today during the big rainstorm. The rangers saw me pull up in a bone stock samurai and they started laughing (I would have too). They told me the water was REALLY high and they suggested I turn around and go home. The ranger said "the water will come over half way up the doors". I told him I would go and just take a look, and promised I wouldn't do anything stupid because I had my son with me (I lied). The first crossing was pretty deep, I started going through and could see that the water was almost half way up my doors from the start - too late to stop now! So I kept on going. Half way through the water was deeper, about half way up the door and the water was moving fast! It started to float the sammy but I kept my foot in it. I made it but there was water inside the floor of the zuk when I got to the other side. The second and third water crossings were deeper than the first. Both attempts sent water over the hood - yikes! I ended up making it all the way back in the canyon as far as you could go. All the guys in big trucks back there were laughing and giving me the thumbs up for making it. Now I had to make it back and the water was rising because it was raining even harder. Going back the motor started cutting out and running funny after being soaked so much. I did make it but it was hair raising. The zuk floated each time I crossed the deep water. Boy that was stupid D'oh! , I could have got swept away with my son. Sometimes I lose sight of better judgement with the promise of adventure. I think next time I will leave my boy home - I didn't tell mom what I did because I would get a big lecture I'm sure! Just for the record - a samurai will start floating when the water is about half way up the doors!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:03 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Great story Vince Laughing The Bic Lighter of off road vehicles proves itself again Applause
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
you know what they say - a guy on the trail with a samurai has nothing to lose...

(except maybe your life Laughing )
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:35 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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I think next time I'll leave my boy home


Doing this will have just made you even more stoopid, and you would have floated away. Laughing

I know when a sami floats.... when the tires leave the riverbed. Laughing

Thank god it was a stocker just think if you were sporting 33's you would be gone.

Just don't tell him not to tell mommy and she'll never find out about it, trust me I know this one if you tell him to keep his mouth shut he'll be telling on you before you can get the front door of your house closed. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:07 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I thought the zuks were only good to be used as anchors in the water.
Guess I was wrong! D'oh! Imagine that. D'oh!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:29 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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I thought the zuks were only good to be used as anchors in the water.
Guess I was wrong! D'oh! Imagine that. D'oh!


Maybe for some folks, but I will remind you of that statement if I happen to see a sammy do a portion of the trail that you can't/won't do in the Toyota!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:48 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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I thought the zuks were only good to be used as anchors in the water.
Guess I was wrong! D'oh! Imagine that. D'oh!


Maybe for some folks, but I will remind you of that statement if I happen to see a sammy do a portion of the trail that you can't/won't do in the Toyota!


Oh... you mean like a big ledge or steep hill (or deep water) Laughing

I hate it when I have to go OVER rocks that Fred, Rick, Brian, Eric, Kevin, and sometimes Vince (did I leave anyone out?) go AROUND Crying or Very Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:55 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Ooooooh, you're really asking for it now buddy. I really don't want to re-hash that whole Doran thing but I just want to state the fact that Eric did go up it. And I remember a few occassions where we saw some footage of Kevin or Eric or some other Samurai nutball would go down a ledge that nobody else would(Moab?). I believe he did it twice while all other brands just watched.

I will end up fighting with myself on this topic because I own, and love, both vehicles. Of course I prefer the Toyota for overall stability and power. Let me just say there are virtues to both vehicles.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:00 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Hey I just thought of something. There aren't any other samurai guys from the club registered on this site. Looks like I'm out numbered again.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:12 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Kevin is registered, IBugFred, Rick, Zuke Guy, and Fred, spinnin4s, but they are all just lurking... zero posts Rolling Eyes

Eric did a great job on Doran, and I have great respect for the Sammy... I just wouldn't want to do a big ledge or very steep hill in one...

I just thought of a good Sammy water crossing technique... open the doors if they are still on, and that way it will stay somewhat sunken and won't float away Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:56 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Think The only thing that might save you is when you are four wheeling a sami you probably have no air in the tires to add buoyancy. Confused Rolling Eyes Eh? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:16 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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Think The only that might save you is when you are four wheeling a sami you probably have no air in the tires to add buoyancy. Confused Rolling Eyes Eh? Very Happy


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Sick Sick Sick Barf Drool Anxious Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing :tbsup:

<fixed taht to that>

but the question is, with no air in the tires, will the tires bulge?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject: taht Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Does a bulge in the tire matter, Would you feel better with a bulge or without a bulge in the tire.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:18 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
just a joke about the light weight of the Sami. Even at single digit air pressure, it is hard to get the tires to bulge like they will on a bigger, heavier rig... the right amount of buldge, the right amount of air down... depending upon the tire and the rig.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:22 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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just a joke about the light weight of the Sami. Even at single digit air pressure, it is hard to get the tires to bulge like they will on a bigger, heavier rig...


A couple of years ago I met this guy with a sami that said he ran zero air and also removed his valve stems at times.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: taht Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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Does a bulge in the tire matter, Would you feel better with a bulge or without a bulge in the tire.



My original message said "Does a bulge matter, Would you feel better with a bulge or without a bulge." Gay and stated like that it did not sound right so I changed it before submitting.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:27 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Since my Willys weighs in at a little more than a Sami, I can understand this lack of a bulge, aired down to about 12psi. the Willys barely has any tire bulge but it has a major feel difference. That's only becuase with full air pressure it rides a little stiff. The lack of air becomes my suspension. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Sleestack wrote:


A couple of years ago I met this guy with a sami that said he ran zero air and also removed his valve stems at times.


Whether it is true or not I do not know. BS
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A couple of years ago I met this guy with a sami that said he ran zero air and also removed his valve stems at times.


Whether it is true or not I do not know. BS


Pretty sad when you quote yourself, and I call BS BS BS you need to have some air or you won't hold a bead, and the rim could spin leaving the tire in place.
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Rocksurfer wrote:
Sleestack wrote:
Sleestack wrote:


A couple of years ago I met this guy with a sami that said he ran zero air and also removed his valve stems at times.


Whether it is true or not I do not know. BS


Pretty sad when you quote yourself, and I call BS BS BS you need to have some air or you won't hold a bead, and the rim could spin leaving the tire in place.
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Maybe for some folks, but I will remind you of that statement if I happen to see a sammy do a portion of the trail that you can't/won't do in the Toyota!



It'll be a long time before you have to worry about that. I haven't seen any Sammies on El Hill yet, except the ones that went the long way around to get to the top so they could look down at all the action at the bottom.

I heard one group of off roaders take a Sammie along with them when they go to Calico just so they can drive it into the hole on the Doran. It makes a great bridge for everyone to drive over. Dancing
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Sleestack wrote:
Rocksurfer wrote:
Sleestack wrote:
Sleestack wrote:


A couple of years ago I met this guy with a sami that said he ran zero air and also removed his valve stems at times.


Whether it is true or not I do not know. BS


Pretty sad when you quote yourself, and I call BS BS BS you need to have some air or you won't hold a bead, and the rim could spin leaving the tire in place.
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[brotherly love] Censored -off Censored hole it is Gay to quote yourself and then post a comment on what you posted, everyone knows that Censored wad. [/brotherly love] Mr. Green
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I definitely like the Samie bridge theory. Applause

Maybe the longer the Sammmmie the longer the bridge. Dancing
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Rocksurfer wrote:
Sleestack wrote:
Rocksurfer wrote:
Sleestack wrote:
Sleestack wrote:


A couple of years ago I met this guy with a sami that said he ran zero air and also removed his valve stems at times.


Whether it is true or not I do not know. BS


Pretty sad when you quote yourself, and I call BS BS BS you need to have some air or you won't hold a bead, and the rim could spin leaving the tire in place.
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[brotherly love] Censored -off Censored hole it is Gay to quote yourself and then post a comment on what you posted, everyone knows that Censored wad. [/brotherly love] Mr. Green


You have two choices I can pad my post legal or illegal Think which would you prefer.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 7:27 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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You have two choices I can pad my post legal or illegal Think which would you prefer.


Or you can do what Ron and I have done... spend a lot of time working on the board and chit chating...
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You have two choices I can pad my post legal or illegal Think which would you prefer.


Or you can do what Ron and I have done... spend a lot of time working on the board and chit chating...


Ouch! You guys are mean

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I am glad that this is a family site, because if the real words were being used in the posts above Shocked
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Also, Ron and I don't get Mad we get Evil or Very Mad and Twisted Evil ...

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I am glad that this is a family site, because if the real words were being used in the posts above Shocked


Good morning Mark and I agree and appreciate Laughing YOUR Laughing effort.
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Also, Ron and I don't get Mad we get Evil or Very Mad and Twisted Evil ...

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Brick wall Also, Ron and I Blah Blah blah!!! D'oh! ---
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Good morning back at ya' Scott... Just catching up on work email and stuff before heading out.
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Also, Ron and I don't get Mad we get Evil or Very Mad and Twisted Evil ...

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Also, Ron and I don't get Mad we get Evil or Very Mad and Twisted Evil ...

<note: Post Pad Technique #5, post only one thought or response per post... why say it all in just one post when you can say it in 2 or 3 and Pad the ol' post count Dancing >


I will say I did not know the technical term for it. Eh?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:05 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
It'll be a long time before you have to worry about that. I haven't seen any Sammies on El Hill yet, except the ones that went the long way around to get to the top so they could look down at all the action at the bottom.

I heard one group of off roaders take a Sammie along with them when they go to Calico just so they can drive it into the hole on the Doran. It makes a great bridge for everyone to drive over. Dancing

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
TurtleTruck wrote:
Sleestack wrote:
You have two choices I can pad my post legal or illegal Think which would you prefer.


Or you can do what Ron and I have done... spend a lot of time working on the board and chit chating...


Laughing Either way your post pad is illegal, the one and only reason our count is so high (and who cares anyway) is while you were waiting on the outside looking in we were building your internet playground. You could have easily joined us and had input..... but noooooooo, you preferred to sit there and watch. But go ahead and pad we don't mind.

Vince, we have had a stock sami at TDS a few years ago he did ok had to put a little more peddle down at times but he did fine. If I was ever to go back to a sami it would have been a tintop, I always like them better they have more weight in the rear which is one of the big drawbacks on steep angles the softies have almost no rear weight at all....... forget about it I don't want it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:59 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
TurtleTruck wrote:
I remember...

I also remember you shouting "Come on carburator!" Laughing


I remember... Wink Razz

Ouch! I also remember a carburator flying right past A drivers face (no names please to protect the innocent) and out the drivers window Applause Applause ...
Applause "no injuries" as he went over and over and over. Ouch! Beer Cheers
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:17 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Sleestack wrote:
TurtleTruck wrote:
I remember...

I also remember you shouting "Come on carburator!" Laughing


I remember... Wink Razz

Ouch! I also remember a carburator flying right past A drivers face (no names please to protect the innocent) and out the drivers window Applause Applause ...
Applause "no injuries" as he went over and over and over. Ouch! Beer Cheers


Even though I wasn't there the video plainly shows a starter flying out the window, not a carburator. You need to get your flying auto parts straight. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:19 pm Post subject: starter not carb Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Embarassed You are right it was a starter. D'oh!
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 1:06 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
TruckTrader wrote:
Hey I just thought of something. There aren't any other samurai guys from the club registered on this site. Looks like I'm out numbered again.
you forgot scott has a sami
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